[Gina]

May Allah Bless his soul and transform Pakistan to be the nation he actually envisioned to be.

P.S. Nice Post!!

 

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! AllahHafiz ! MF

[Shaam]

nice sharing per hmm iqbal jamhooriyat pasnd nahi they
........ iqbal bulke is nizaam ko mantey hi nahi they


juda ho mazhab sei siyasat tou reh jati hai changezi

ab unka beta jis ko unho ne gher sei hi nikal dia tha iqbal ke afkaar ko ghalt malt pesh karaha hai tou kia kahein
i would say ke baal e jibrael zaroor parhein ek baar
aur ek aur kitab hai
iqbal aur quran
wo0 bhi

 

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ایک تیرا ہجر جو بالوں میں سفیدی لایا
ایک تیرا عشق جو سینے میں جوان رہتا ہے

And Allah is All Enough For Me (Al-Quran)

[beyond_vision]

Gina : Ameen to your Dua and Thanks for liking the sharing!

 

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[beyond_vision]

Originally Posted by Shaam

nice sharing per hmm iqbal jamhooriyat pasnd nahi they
........ iqbal bulke is nizaam ko mantey hi nahi they


juda ho mazhab sei siyasat tou reh jati hai changezi

ab unka beta jis ko unho ne gher sei hi nikal dia tha iqbal ke afkaar ko ghalt malt pesh karaha hai tou kia kahein
i would say ke baal e jibrael zaroor parhein ek baar
aur ek aur kitab hai
iqbal aur quran
wo0 bhi

Hmmm! With due respect, I would like to disagree with you a bit on the statment that "Iqbal Jamhooriyat Pasand nahi thay". In my humble opinion, Iqbal was in favour of democracy but not the "Western" Democracy. Democracy in itself is a very abstract term and we can find different typologies of democracies like Direct democracy, Indirect democracy, constitutional democracy, monarchical democracy, social democracy, totalitarian democracy and the list goes on. So Perhaps Iqbal was not against democracy persay but the European or Western democracy and was propogating the Islamic democracy.
Furthermore, I agree to Iqbal's statment that " Juda Ho mazhab se Siyaasat to reh jaati hay Changezi". and we have seen this happened in the western democracy case where they believe that religion shud be separate frm state and in result of that, we have witnessed many immoral things being legalized. He has also said about the Western Democracy that :

ہے وہی سازِ کہن مغرب کا جمہوری نظام
جس کے پردے میں نہیں غیراز نوائے قیصری
دیو استبداد جمہوری قبا میں پائے کوب
تو سمجھتا ہے یہ آزادی کی ہے نیلم پری
مجلس آئین و اصلاح ورعایات و حقوق
طبّ مغرب میں مردے میٹھے، اثر خواب آوری
گرمئی گفتارِ اعضائے مجالس الامان
یہ بھی اک سرمایہ داروں کی ہے جنگِ زر گری
اس سرابِ رنگ و بو کو گلستاں سجھا ہے تُو
اہ اے ناداں قفس کو آشیاں سمجھا ہے تُو

I was gone toweb to search the English translation of that section which goes like :

1) Western democratic system is the same old musical instrument which contains no tunes other than Imperial ones.

2) It is the demon of autocracy dancing in the garb of democracy. And you think it is a fairy of freedom come from Paradise.

3) Legislative Councils, Reforms, Concessions and Grants, Rights etc are the Western medicine which tastes sweet but in effect is opiate.

4) This eloquence of the members of the Legislative Council is irresistible. It is (in reality) nothing but a warfare of Capitalists to make more money.

5) You take this mirage of colour and smell for a garden. I am sorry for you. You on account of your foolishness, see cage as your nest.

So here he gives a very clear message about the Western dmeocracy and I complety agree to it lekin I guess what he wanted was a different democracy but none the less still democracy and I guess Islamic system of gov is also very much rooted in the concept of democracy with certain basis of Theology so Its a mix and different type of democracy.
So My point is only that he wanted democracy but a different democracy rooted on Islamic values and beliefs.
Thanks for your suggestions of the books. I've started reading his works with English translation. I shall for sure try to look for these books!

 

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[Shaam]

Originally Posted by beyond_vision

Hmmm! With due respect, I would like to disagree with you a bit on the statment that "Iqbal Jamhooriyat Pasand nahi thay". In my humble opinion, Iqbal was in favour of democracy but not the "Western" Democracy. Democracy in itself is a very abstract term and we can find different typologies of democracies like Direct democracy, Indirect democracy, constitutional democracy, monarchical democracy, social democracy, totalitarian democracy and the list goes on. So Perhaps Iqbal was not against democracy persay but the European or Western democracy and was propogating the Islamic democracy.
Furthermore, I agree to Iqbal's statment that " Juda Ho mazhab se Siyaasat to reh jaati hay Changezi". and we have seen this happened in the western democracy case where they believe that religion shud be separate frm state and in result of that, we have witnessed many immoral things being legalized. He has also said about the Western Democracy that :

ہے وہی سازِ کہن مغرب کا جمہوری نظام
جس کے پردے میں نہیں غیراز نوائے قیصری
دیو استبداد جمہوری قبا میں پائے کوب
تو سمجھتا ہے یہ آزادی کی ہے نیلم پری
مجلس آئین و اصلاح ورعایات و حقوق
طبّ مغرب میں مردے میٹھے، اثر خواب آوری
گرمئی گفتارِ اعضائے مجالس الامان
یہ بھی اک سرمایہ داروں کی ہے جنگِ زر گری
اس سرابِ رنگ و بو کو گلستاں سجھا ہے تُو
اہ اے ناداں قفس کو آشیاں سمجھا ہے تُو

I was gone toweb to search the English translation of that section which goes like :

1) Western democratic system is the same old musical instrument which contains no tunes other than Imperial ones.

2) It is the demon of autocracy dancing in the garb of democracy. And you think it is a fairy of freedom come from Paradise.

3) Legislative Councils, Reforms, Concessions and Grants, Rights etc are the Western medicine which tastes sweet but in effect is opiate.

4) This eloquence of the members of the Legislative Council is irresistible. It is (in reality) nothing but a warfare of Capitalists to make more money.

5) You take this mirage of colour and smell for a garden. I am sorry for you. You on account of your foolishness, see cage as your nest.

So here he gives a very clear message about the Western dmeocracy and I complety agree to it lekin I guess what he wanted was a different democracy but none the less still democracy and I guess Islamic system of gov is also very much rooted in the concept of democracy with certain basis of Theology so Its a mix and different type of democracy.
So My point is only that he wanted democracy but a different democracy rooted on Islamic values and beliefs.
Thanks for your suggestions of the books. I've started reading his works with English translation. I shall for sure try to look for these books!

u r doing good really
but very simple
WHY WE NEED or WANT DEMOCRACY ?

 

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ایک تیرا ہجر جو بالوں میں سفیدی لایا
ایک تیرا عشق جو سینے میں جوان رہتا ہے

And Allah is All Enough For Me (Al-Quran)

[~wish munda~]

main nay poora article tu read nai kia lekin jitna kia buhat acha likha hai

 

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Tere Dil Main Meri Sanso Ko Panah Mil Jaey
Tere Ishq Main Meri Jaan Fana Ho Jaey

[beyond_vision]

Originally Posted by Shaam

u r doing good really
but very simple
WHY WE NEED or WANT DEMOCRACY ?

Hmmm, I can enumerate multiple reasons for adopting "true" Democracy combined with some theocracy as base root but In simple words, I think its the best option available compared to many others. This is the reason one shud go for democracy as through this method, the representatives are chosen among the people and with the consensus of people. Now yes, here it may raise the question of " Tyranny of the majority" but that can be managed while having the theocratic principales in mind. I can go further in detailz but before doing so I would like to ask back the Question

Why One wud not need or want Democracy?

 

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[beyond_vision]

Wish Munda : Shukriya Article ko Jahan tak ho saka parhnay ka aur Honestly jawab dene ka!

 

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[Stollen Heart]

Eik bohat bara faraq jo dosre Sufiyas ur Allama Iqbal ke dermian he wo amal ka hey, Allama Iqbal ki poetry ya un ki taleemaat hamen amal kerne ki tarf majboor keti hen, jubkeh dosre sufiyas hamen batan ki safai ki tarf ishara kerte hen, wo just hamen tareeqiyet ki tarf bulate hen mager Allama Iqbal Shariyet pe zor dete hen,

Isi liye me pasand krta hon Allama iqbal ko.

 

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Haan Yaad Mujhe Tum Ker Lena Awaz Mujhe Tum De Lena
Is Rah e Mohabbet Men Koi Der'pesh Jo Mushkil Aa Jay

[Shaam]

Originally Posted by beyond_vision

Hmmm, I can enumerate multiple reasons for adopting "true" Democracy combined with some theocracy as base root but In simple words, I think its the best option available compared to many others. This is the reason one shud go for democracy as through this method, the representatives are chosen among the people and with the consensus of people. Now yes, here it may raise the question of " Tyranny of the majority" but that can be managed while having the theocratic principales in mind. I can go further in detailz but before doing so I would like to ask back the Question

Why One wud not need or want Democracy?

madam
gher aap ka tou rules aap ke
right
zameen Allah ki tou nizaam Allah ka
democracy kaha sei agai ?

 

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ایک تیرا ہجر جو بالوں میں سفیدی لایا
ایک تیرا عشق جو سینے میں جوان رہتا ہے

And Allah is All Enough For Me (Al-Quran)